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pDemocrat Mark Critz, running to succeed the late Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), is branding himself as an opponent of health care legislation in his latest ad ndash; a sign that the legislation is a tough sell even in working-class blue-collar Democratic confines. /pp
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Responding to an NRCC advertisement accusing him of backing health care reform, Critz says: ldquo;That adrsquo;s not true. I opposed the health care bill, and Irsquo;m pro-life and pro-gun. Thatrsquo;s not liberal.rdquo; /pp
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Critz didnrsquo;t take a public position on the health care legislation during the Democratic nomination process, and declined to answer a survey from The Hill newspaper in March whether he would support the bill.nbsp;/pp
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Critzrsquo;s campaign spokesman told POLITICO last week that he opposed certain aspects of the health care legislation, but would not support its repeal. /pp
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Critz is facing Republican businessman Tim Burns in the May 18 special election. Burns has been running against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the administrationrsquo;s domestic agenda. /pp
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Democrats hold a significant registration edge in the southwestern Pennsylvania district, but Obama is not viewed favorably there. John McCain narrowly won the district with 49 percent, after John Kerry and Al Gore carried it the previous two presidential elections./p
h3 id=comments15 Responses to #8220;Health care legislation as Waterloo #8211; Oliphant (andnbsp;Benson)#8221;/h3
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-edarrell bypostauthor even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97873
Ed Darrell Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm
blockquotepHistorians are just liberal elitist pricks who look back at history and form an opinion on it. They donrsquo;t look at history any more objectively than they look at the present day. ldquo;Historianrdquo; is just a title given to someone with a hobby in reading history books. And those historians are just using W. as a scapegoat; there was that one American president (I forget his name) who lasted one month in the presidency. He got nothing done in that one month, needless to say, so you would think any objective ldquo;historianrdquo; would call him the worst. But the ldquo;historiansrdquo; obviously based their conclusion on Bush being the worse simply because they didnrsquo;t like him./p/blockquote
pYou, George Bush and Ray Mummert #8212; under attack by #8220;smart people.#8221;/p
pAlternatively, you could read the article (when it shows up in its completeness, tomorrow, I hope) and make substantive comments on it, instead of ranting on imagined responses./p
blockquotep ldquo;A loophole or gap in a law is common, and not a sign of incompetence.rdquo; Oh, okay. Irsquo;d have to argue that incompetence is common, then. (Well, that goes without saying when itrsquo;s in regard to Congress.)/p/blockquote
pPlease show us the 2,000-page anything you put together with no typos. Congress does good work. Quit spitting on the flag and claiming it#8217;s rain./p
blockquotep ldquo;If insurance companies deprive coverage,hellip;there will be litigation.rdquo; They wouldnrsquo;t be breaking any laws by denying coverage to anyone, because the law doesnrsquo;t say they canrsquo;t./p/blockquote
pOh, but the law idoes/i say they can#8217;t. They#8217;re claiming that the law that bans their actions doesn#8217;t take effect until later. On one hand you accuse Congress of incompetence for writing a report on the bill that says there is no loophole, and then on the other hand you claim it#8217;s no violation of Congressional intent #8212; that is, the law #8212; to not follow the law. You need to sort out your thoughts, and unmuddle things./p
pThere will be litigation if the insurance companies deny coverage, and if insurance companies win, look for amendments. It#8217;s a case of if a few are left out, we all pay through the nose. It should be fixed./p
blockquotep Irsquo;m not saying they should deny coverage, of course, but looking at it objectively, they have that right. But I see yoursquo;ve jumped on the insurance-companies-are-evil bandwagon, even though they make only 3% profit./p/blockquote
pI said no such thing. There you go again, assuming things that are not in evidence. You noted, accurately, that Congressional intent was to leave no gaps. All I said was that if someone tries to avoid that law, there will be litigation./p
pIt#8217;s Republicans who work evil, here, much more than insurance companies. And note that I didn#8217;t say Republicans are evil #8212; they just do the bidding of evil. There is hope, always./p
blockquotep ldquo;Unless Sauron is more effective in mustering Republicans against an amendment than he was the first time around. It would be a heckuva fight, with pro-life Republicans publicly repudiating their stands in order to force children to suffer and die.rdquo; It wasnrsquo;t just Republicans who were against the health-care takeover; Republicans were, Democrats were, and Independents were./p/blockquote
pThere was no takeover. We have no National Health Service as do Canada and Britain #8212; both of which have health care systems that are more efficient, more effective, and much cheaper than ours. /p
pNo Republican had the guts, sense, or patriotism to step forward and support the bill. They worked hard to earn the blame for what goes wrong, and they should get it in spades./p
blockquotep And come on, guy, thatrsquo;s a tad dramatic, ldquo;The Republicans want to force children to suffer and die!rdquo; Oh, okay./p/blockquote
pNot okay with me. It#8217;s immoral, and the Republicans should be stopped if they try to enforce a kill-the-children rule./p
blockquotep ldquo;hellip;The provision Sen. Feinstein had proposed to fix the problem was stopped by Republican.rdquo; Republicans against have not once tried to stop reform,/p/blockquote
pNot just once, but hundreds of times. They objected to consideration of the Feinstein bill, and they objected to allowing health care to proceed normally, preventing its being tacked on as a wholly germane and good amendment. /p
pYes, Republicans worked hard to stop reform. Each and every one of them. Shame on each and every one of them./p
blockquotep . . . and the Democrats who supported the health-care takeover have not once tried to initiate reform./p/blockquote
pNot once, but hundreds of times. At least annually since 1903./p
blockquotep The new bill does nothing to reform anything. It doesnrsquo;t increase competition because it still prevents you from purchasing insurance across state lines./p/blockquote
pWhy won#8217;t Republicans allow that amendment? It seems like it would make sense./p
blockquotepTherersquo;s no malpractice-suit reform in there./p/blockquote
pMost states, like Texas, have already done that, and found it doesn#8217;t help. At most, malpractice contributes about 5% of total health costs. Reform won#8217;t do much, and reform tends to favor large institutions who manage to injure individuals #8212; malpractice doesn#8217;t need reforming, and it won#8217;t help much./p
blockquotep Republicans offered numerous solutions while the Democrats literally locked themselves up behind closed doors to prevent the Republicans from having any part of the legislation./p/blockquote
pWhat country are you in? Here in the U.S., our President Obama made his first trip outside of the White House after inauguration to meet with Republicans on Capitol Hill to ask their cooperation and pledge his. They refused on the spot./p
pDespite this, Democrats in the Senate held more than six months of negotiations with Republicans; my sources tell me it was quite tortured. Republicans refused to cooperate much, so the Dems took old Republican proposals and put them in, unless the Republicans said #8220;no,#8221; which they often did. Odd to see the Republicans repudiate what you now say would have helped the bill./p
pIn the end, Republicans just refused to do anything but object./p
pThe budget reconciliation process isn#8217;t friendly to amendments. Here in the U.S., that was what Republican constipation of the legislative process led to./p
pIt was different in your country?/p
blockquotep So, yes, the Republicans should be proud that they tried to prevent socialism and offered up true reform./p/blockquote
pNo one ever proposed socialism. Republicans should be ashamed they can#8217;t tell socialism from republican democracy. Here, the Republicans just refused to do anything, let alone offer any move toward any different reform./p
blockquotep ldquo;It will be interesting to see how recalcitrant industries fight improved health care. The important first step in reining in costs was to expand coverage.rdquo; Coverage was expanded to some 10 or 15 million people at the expense of freedom and at the expense of reducing the quality of the health care to everybody else. Yay./p/blockquote
pWho lost freedom? Not you. Don#8217;t make stuff up./p
blockquotep ldquo;Occasional wins by evil is not evidence that the war has been lost.rdquo; Good, this gives me some hope./p/blockquote
pGood, don#8217;t abandon hope. But it would be nice if you#8217;d stop fighting hope, too./p
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li class=comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97824
Nick Kelsier Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 5:58 pm
pOh and Chris, there are pictures of CHeney and Rumsfeld shaking the hand of Saddam Hussein and his cronies. /p
pHave fun choking because that rather shoots down any sense of superiority you get claiming making up stupid claims about Obama and Chavez./p
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li class=comment even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97823
Nick Kelsier Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 5:57 pm
pChris wrote:br /
Bush was a humble person, a faithful husband, a dignified person in general./p
pHe was arrogant and egotistical. /p
pAnd as for #8220;faithful husband#8221; that has what to do with being President? No matter what you say he was one of our worst Presidents of all time. /p
pBush authorized a fools war in Iraq that did no small part in nearly bankrupting this country. He attacked Iraq despite them having nothing to do with 9-11. He let Osama bin Laden get away and he did little to deal with Al Qaeda. He authorized torture. He sacrificed much of our moral standing with the rest of the world. And domestically he continously screwed over the middle class and the poor while kissing the asses of the rich. /p
pAnd you want to claim that Kennedy#8217;s alleged affairs makes him a worse person then Bush? My..you do have a messed up sense of morality. Let me know when you want to bother to have an actual sense of morality. Because thinking that a person who cheated on his wife is worse morally then a person who ordered torture is just this side of being morally depraved./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-whothennow24 odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97773
Chris Graham Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 3:02 pm
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;Historians are just liberal elitist pricks who look back at history and form an opinion on it. They don#8217;t look at history any more objectively than they look at the present day. #8220;Historian#8221; is just a title given to someone with a emhobby/em in reading history books. And those historians are just using W. as a scapegoat; there was that one American president (I forget his name) who lasted one month in the presidency. He got nothing done in that one month, needless to say, so you would think any emobjective/em #8220;historian#8221; would call emhim/em the worst. But the #8220;historians#8221; obviously based their conclusion on Bush being the worse simply because they didn#8217;t like him./p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;A loophole or gap in a law is common, and not a sign of incompetence.#8221;/em Oh, okay. I#8217;d have to argue that incompetence is common, then. (Well, that goes without saying when it#8217;s in regard to Congress.) /p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;If insurance companies deprive coverage,#8230;there will be litigation.#8221;/em They wouldn#8217;t be breaking any laws by denying coverage to anyone, because the law doesn#8217;t say they can#8217;t. I#8217;m not saying they emshould/em deny coverage, of course, but looking at it objectively, they have that right. But I see you#8217;ve jumped on the insurance-companies-are-evil bandwagon, even though they make only 3% profit./p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;Unless Sauron is more effective in mustering Republicans against an amendment than he was the first time around. It would be a heckuva fight, with pro-life Republicans publicly repudiating their stands in order to force children to suffer and die.#8221;/em It wasn#8217;t just Republicans who were against the health-care takeover; Republicans were, Democrats were, and Independents were. And come on, guy, that#8217;s a tad dramatic, #8220;The Republicans want to force children to suffer and die!#8221; Oh, okay./p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;#8230;The provision Sen. Feinstein had proposed to fix the problem was stopped by Republican.#8221;/em Republicans against have not once tried to stop reform, and the Democrats who supported the health-care takeover have not once tried to eminitiate/em reform. The new bill does nothing to reform anything. It doesn#8217;t increase competition because it still prevents you from purchasing insurance across state lines. There#8217;s no malpractice-suit reform in there. Republicans offered numerous solutions while the Democrats literally locked themselves up behind closed doors to prevent the Republicans from having any part of the legislation. So, yes, the Republicans emshould/em be proud that they tried to prevent socialism and offered up true reform./p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;It will be interesting to see how recalcitrant industries fight improved health care. The important first step in reining in costs was to expand coverage.#8221;/em Coverage was expanded to some 10 or 15 million people at the expense of freedom and at the expense of reducing the quality of the health care to everybody else. Yay./p
pnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;em#8220;Occasional wins by evil is not evidence that the war has been lost./em#8221; Good, this gives me some hope./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-edarrell bypostauthor even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97770
Ed Darrell Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 2:50 pm
blockquotepBush was a humble person, a faithful husband, a dignified person in general./p/blockquote
pYou#8217;ve never met Bush, and you don#8217;t know much about him, do you./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-edarrell bypostauthor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97768
Ed Darrell Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 2:47 pm
blockquotepObama#8217;s a weak rookie who likes to appease and pal around with dictators (he#8217;s good friends with Chavez, and even Castro#8211;former communist dictator of Cuba#8211;approves of the way Obama is running America. Communists don#8217;t approve of democracy, yet this communist approves of Obama#8217;s job. Interesting, no?/p/blockquote
pGood friends with Chavez? They#8217;ve met once. Obama said Venezuela needs to get with the program, stand up for rule of law in the Americas. Chavez gave Obama a book. /p
pYou imagine a lot that didn#8217;t happen and isn#8217;t realistic. Obama#8217;s no closer to Chavez than Dick Cheney is, just wiser in handling the nut./p
pWho cares what Castro says in an interview? Castro didn#8217;t claim Obama#8217;s anything other than a U.S. flag-waving patriot. I can#8217;t find anything that suggests Castro approves of Obama#8217;s policies, especially since Obama turned up the diplomatic heat on Chavez. What are you talking about?/p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-whothennow24 even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97762
Chris Graham Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 2:21 pm
pAnd apparently I suck at HTML./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-whothennow24 odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97760
Chris Graham Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 2:18 pm
pNick Kelsier: /p
blockquotep#8220;Anything Kennedy did as far as being a #8216;disgusting human being#8217; pales to W.#8221;/p/blockquote
pYes, because W. cheated on his wife with countless women and thought he could do whatever he wanted just because he was the president. Bush was a humble person, a faithful husband, a dignified person in general./p
blockquotep#8220;Least Kennedy didn#8217;t start a fool#8217;s war in a country that did nothing to deserve invaded.#8221;/p/blockquote
pYes, because Saddam Hussein wasn#8217;t a brutal dictator who killed hundreds and hundreds of thousands of his own people. The world is safer because that madman is dead. Because BUSH got rid of him. Hussein DID have WMDs (he used them against his own people, duh). The only thing Bush made a mistake at was warning Iraq that we were coming (the UN approved of the invasion, by the way, as did Congress). Because we warned Hussein (Saddam, not Obama), he was able to get the WMD over the border to Syria. We should have just gone in there with no warning. And we need to do the same to Iran, but Obama#8217;s a weak rookie who likes to appease and pal around with dictators (he#8217;s good friends with Chavez, and even Castro#8211;former communist dictator of Cuba#8211;approves of the way Obama is running America. Communists don#8217;t approve of democracy, yet this communist approves of Obama#8217;s job. Interesting, no?/p
pYeah, poor terrorists, being #8220;tortured,#8221; boo-hoo. We made blood-thirsty psychopaths THINK they were drowning, oh man, so harsh, so, so evil! Poor terrorists!br /
Now, I can#8217;t WAIT for you to tell me how Bush #8220;crashed the economy.#8221; I can#8217;t wait. Please tell me, seriously. Don#8217;t hold back. Tell me what you think. /p
pYou: /p
blockquotep#8220; screw the middle class and suck the dicks of the rich.#8221;/p/blockquote
pYou mean like Obama is doing now? On both counts? Kinda like that? Why are liberals so anti-rich? People get rich because they earned it. They get rich because of hard work and ambition, most of the time. Other times they inherit it, sure, but the majority of the time, they earned it. Jealous? Then try harder like they did. Don#8217;t steal from them to pay for your unambitious, whiny self./p
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li class=comment even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97718
Nick Kelsier Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 11:24 am
pEd writes:br /
It would be a heckuva fight, with pro-life Republicans publicly repudiating their stands in order to force children to suffer and die. /p
pReally think they#8217;re going to have much of a problem doing that, Ed? It#8217;s not like they#8217;ve shown much concern for the health and life of children after they#8217;ve been born so far#8230;./p
pClaiming the Republicans are #8220;pro-life#8221; is like claiming that David Duke is pro-black./p
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What is the best paintball harness out there that matches requirements below? | Paintball Gear Bags Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 10:13 am
p Health care legislation as Waterloo ndash; Oliphant (and Benson #8230; /p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-edarrell bypostauthor even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97608
Ed Darrell Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 1:24 am
pNot liberals based on polls who said Bush was worst ever: Historians, based on their comparison with every other president. (It#8217;s a iRolling Stone/i story, and their website is down this weekend for dramatic revisions.)/p
pA loophole or gap in a law is common, and not a sign of incompetence. It#8217;s quite inventive of the insurance companies to claim to have found a way to deprive sick and injured children of coverage. I#8217;m sure you read the article carefully. If insurance companies deprive coverage, contrary to the language of the conference report, there will be litigation. If by some fluke the insurance companies win that litigation, proving that Congress#8217;s intent was not carried out in the language they passed, there will be amendments, unless Sauron is more effective in mustering Republicans against an amendment than he was the first time around. It would be a heckuva fight, with pro-life Republicans publicly repudiating their stands in order to force children to suffer and die. /p
pThe new law has protections of consumers built in, to resolve and head off some of the problems you fear, according to the NYT article (by my old friend Robert Pear, who is among the best in covering these issues):/p
blockquotepConsumers will soon gain several other protections. By July 1, the health secretary must establish a Web site where people can identify ldquo;affordable health insurance coverage options.rdquo; The site is supposed to provide information about premiums, co-payments and the share of premium revenue that goes to administrative costs and profits, rather than medical care./p
pIn addition, within six months, health plans must have ldquo;an effective appeals process,rdquo; so consumers can challenge decisions on coverage and claims. /p/blockquote
pWill insurance premiums rise? We were sure of it before, at about a 15% per year clip. Does the iLA Times/i article say they will rise faster than that? It notes that the provision Sen. Feinstein had proposed to fix the problem was stopped by Republican#8217;s obstreperousness (#8220;Congressional rules#8221; is what the article said). Republicans won#8217;t be proud to trumpet this one, either, I#8217;ll wager. We needed a good gross of Righty-Be-Gone to fix that problem (Why didn#8217;t you note that it was the right that cause this problem? Are you ashamed of it, too?)/p
pIt will be interesting to see how recalcitrant industries fight improved health care. The important first step in reining in costs was to expand coverage. A public option to compete with insurance companies might have provided a good, market mechanism to fight undue increases, but since the Republicans have not allowed that yet, we#8217;ll probably have to go the regulatory route./p
pIronic that Republicans are driving increased regulation of private industry, no? Unprincipaled, unholy opposition to good government will create such problems, and every Republican should hang his or her head in shame. /p
pMy God is not incompetent. Evil is not benign, though, and must be fought at every turn, at every moment. Occasional wins by evil is not evidence that the war has been lost./p
pWordPress and HTML: Yeah, HTML is accepted at almost all WordPress powered blogs, and all WordPress hosted blogs that I have found. Good luck with your blog./p
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li class=comment odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97600
Nick Kelsier Says: br /
April 18, 2010 at 12:23 am
pAnything Kennedy did as far as being a #8220;disgusting human being#8221; pales to W, Chris./p
pLeast Kennedy didnt start a fools war in a country that did nothing to deserve invaded. At least Kennedy didn#8217;t authorize torture. And at least Kennedy didn#8217;t crash the economy, screw the middle class and suck the dicks of the rich./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-whothennow24 even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97595
Chris Graham Says: br /
April 17, 2010 at 10:42 pm
pI agree with you about Truman. He#8217;s just about the only Democrat I like. He made unpopular decisions that saved millions of lives (and not only the lives of Americans). And aside from being a disgusting human being, Kennedy was not too bad a president. Remember when you liberals pointed to Bush#8217;s approval ratings (and still do) and said, #8220;See? He#8217;s the worst president in history#8221;? Yeah./p
pNow, I#8217;m glad you brought up this #8220;no pre-existing conditions#8221; thing. It was reported in the New York Times, one of Obama#8217;s many personal fluffers, that while ObamaCare DOES prevent children from being DROPPED from coverage because of a discovered pre-existing condition, it does NOT prevent insurance companies from DENYING coverage to children with pre-existing conditions. That#8217;s what happens when, in a mad rush to advance pure Marxism, you push through legislation before even taking time to proofread it, let alone read it at all. Remember what Pelosi said? #8220;We have to pass the bill so you can see what#8217;s in it.#8221;/p
pAnd just for kicks, from the LA Times, one of the most liberal, in-the-can-for-Obama publications around, we find this:/p
p #8220;Public outrage over double-digit rate hikes for health insurance may have helped push President Obama#8217;s healthcare overhaul across the finish line, but the new law does NOT give regulators the power to block similar increases in the future.br /
#8220;And now, with some major companies already moving to boost premiums and others poised to follow suit, millions of Americans may feel an unexpected jolt in the pocketbook.br /
#8220;Although Democrats promised greater consumer protection, the overhaul does NOT give the federal government broad regulatory power to prevent increases.br /
#8220;#8216;It is a very big loophole in health reform,#8217; Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said. Feinstein and Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) are pushing legislation to expand federal and state authority to prevent insurance companies from boosting rates excessively.#8221;/p
pYour gods are completely incompetent./p
pAlso, from one decent human being to another, I just made my WordPress blog last night and am still unsure of a bunch of things, one of which is whether or not I can use basic HTML in comments like this. Do you happen to know? I didn#8217;t want to try it and then have my comment end up looking like crap because HTML is NOT accepted. There#8217;s no preview button, so I figured I shouldn#8217;t risk it./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-edarrell bypostauthor odd alt thread-odd thread-alt depth-1 id=comment-97592
Ed Darrell Says: br /
April 17, 2010 at 10:07 pm
pLike Truman, sometimes you pay a public poll price for doing the right thing. Still have to do the right thing./p
pWait until the Republicans start campaigning on repeal of the #8220;no pre-existing condition#8221; clause. I can hardly wait./p
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li class=comment byuser comment-author-whothennow24 even thread-even depth-1 id=comment-97589
Chris Graham Says: br /
April 17, 2010 at 9:37 pm
pMeanwhile, his poll numbers keep falling#8230;./p
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